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xploding-twincam
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Post subject: Water injection for a n/a car  Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:09 am |
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Hi all i read up on water injection on a n/a engine. my findings are it works, but more effort needs to be done due to water fuel ratio. Link below http://www.karlsnet.com/mopar/waterinjection.shtmlMaybe with the N/A motors we need to look into have the correct size nozzle and ratio of the fuel + water Who had tried this? and if you have what are the gains?
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2008 Polo TDi 9N3 74kw 240nm
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:25 am |
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Besides the cooling, I don't see any other benefit & with additional meth or eth I am not sure whether the octane would be affected.
Do you want to stay NA? I would say get yourself a 60-2 management, fit cams, bump up comp. There aren't many cheap ways to make power, you need to spend the money
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'89 RSi Twincam 16v - 4A-GTE Project - The Toy is a Toy! 
'06 Honda Accord 2.4 Type S - this is my Slow Family car
'07 Citi .:R - The Daily - EX - No Comment
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:32 am |
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I'm going boost. But I just wanted to see from you guys what are your thoughts and who had been through this. Also wanted to share my findings.
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Boosted - 2001 Tazz 4agte 16v- 165whp - First step;)
NA - Speed Shop = 137.4BHP AT 7500RPM and 147.3NM
2008 Polo TDi 9N3 74kw 240nm
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:54 am |
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'89 RSi Twincam 16v - 4A-GTE Project - The Toy is a Toy!
'06 Honda Accord 2.4 Type S - this is my Slow Family car
'07 Citi .:R - The Daily - EX - No Comment
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:13 am |
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T3/t4 bud. Low boost on stock internals thinking of buying and digging the water injection now then boost with it on stock internals
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Boosted - 2001 Tazz 4agte 16v- 165whp - First step;)
NA - Speed Shop = 137.4BHP AT 7500RPM and 147.3NM
2008 Polo TDi 9N3 74kw 240nm
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:22 am |
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I know that son-of-a-b!tch is cheating!..'cos i'm cheating and he beat me....
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:49 am |
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Lol true. once I get a second car I can change bottom End to low comp. Have my ze pistons already
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Boosted - 2001 Tazz 4agte 16v- 165whp - First step;)
NA - Speed Shop = 137.4BHP AT 7500RPM and 147.3NM
2008 Polo TDi 9N3 74kw 240nm
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:50 am |
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Boksie
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:32 pm |
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Anything below 10:1 can be considered low compression in my eyes...
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:54 pm |
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I know that son-of-a-b!tch is cheating!..'cos i'm cheating and he beat me....
When people say "Oh you just want to have your cake and eat it too". Fucking right! What good is a cake if you can't eat it?- Billy Connolly
Daily ride!!
1999 Golf 4 1.6
ex Drag Car!!
2006 Yamaha YZF-R6 *sold*
1994 VW CTi 2.0 16vT 12.35s Killarney 2010
1992 VW Golf GTi 2.0 16vT *sold*
2005 VW Golf 2.0 TDi Sportline *sold*
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:58 pm |
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Ya that boost control switch keeps asking for more twist
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Boosted - 2001 Tazz 4agte 16v- 165whp - First step;)
NA - Speed Shop = 137.4BHP AT 7500RPM and 147.3NM
2008 Polo TDi 9N3 74kw 240nm
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:47 am |
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I believe it's mind set.
Everyone told me lift is addictive, it's not really. I cruise around whole day without even bothering to hit lift.
Boost on the other hand, I can't say
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:52 am |
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Boosted - 2001 Tazz 4agte 16v- 165whp - First step;)
NA - Speed Shop = 137.4BHP AT 7500RPM and 147.3NM
2008 Polo TDi 9N3 74kw 240nm
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:15 pm |
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I do see benefits on meth injection on a N/A car.. providing its needed.. were the engine is Hi Comp.. but i have personally not tried it.. if u run higher cr on pump fuel were u run into detonation.. secondary stage injection with a separate pump and tank to inject meth. should cut down intake temps and detonation.. But if its normal compression were pump fuel works fine.. the cost justification to use meth is pointless..
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:05 pm |
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water would just puch up the compression ratio more, you don't get so much benefit from temp reduction. Methanol would lift the octane which would benefit greatly. A mixture of the two would have various mixed effects depending on the mixture.
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:04 pm |
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I am on 0.5bar and I'm addicted. I WANT MORE!!!!!
Be carefull when the bug bites. It's a virus you struggle to get out of your system.
When your belly button starts pulling towards your back bone then you can't help but to want more.
You do almost shit yourself when it happens the first time and even more when you think about trying to get the car to stop again.
Fit big brakes first before you try the turbo thing.
0-100 is nice but without brakes 100-0 isn't fun when you see the car infront of you starts getting closer faster than you imagined it to be coming at you.
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:13 am |
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Boosted - 2001 Tazz 4agte 16v- 165whp - First step;)
NA - Speed Shop = 137.4BHP AT 7500RPM and 147.3NM
2008 Polo TDi 9N3 74kw 240nm
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D-MON
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:28 am |
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Get them fitted, it will be worth it.
Its just a 3mm spacer that you need made up & at least a 15" mag & that's it...why are you delaying it? Rims?
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'89 RSi Twincam 16v - 4A-GTE Project - The Toy is a Toy!
'06 Honda Accord 2.4 Type S - this is my Slow Family car
'07 Citi .:R - The Daily - EX - No Comment
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:58 am |
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Not in a rush. Just fitted new pads in the front and want b to spend more bucks on the turbo side
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Boosted - 2001 Tazz 4agte 16v- 165whp - First step;)
NA - Speed Shop = 137.4BHP AT 7500RPM and 147.3NM
2008 Polo TDi 9N3 74kw 240nm
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Post subject: Re: Water injection for a n/a car Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:49 am |
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