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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts  Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:35 pm |
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Or use the racetech for boost and ur stock ecu for n/a. Boet i promise, if the racetech is mapped properly for boost, u gonna keep the s/c on all the time. In my 6 years drving with the gze, i switched the charger off once  boost is fokken addictive, whether it's a blower or turbo... U will never get enuff _________________ Click here to MAKE UR CAR QUICKER!
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:04 am |
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nadeeme wrote: Or use the racetech for boost and ur stock ecu for n/a. Boet i promise, if the racetech is mapped properly for boost, u gonna keep the s/c on all the time. In my 6 years drving with the gze, i switched the charger off once boost is fokken addictive, whether it's a blower or turbo... U will never get enuff I would love to drive with the SC on all the time. Thats what this kit is designed to do! its just a matter of if this ecu can handle the boost... Are you meaning that the SC never disengages? Boosting even on idle? What i thought about is having some sensor somewhere on something that engages the sc clutch at 2500 rpm, and if that does that all the time, then the racetech just has to control the timing and fueling. it doesnt really need to know that the sc is there. or am i wrong in thinking this way? Then for the water/meth, i get a kit that is programable and add water/meth mix, controlled by its own controller, and the ecu doesnt need to know its there either. if that makes sense  _________________ '05 Runx RSI - 137.5kw 177NM '89 Twincam 1600 RSI - 98.1kw 149nm Nissan 720 Kingcab 4x4 2200 - Finished and Roadworthy "Speed has never killed anyone......its suddenly becoming stationary...That's what gets you." www.jdmtuner.co.za - For all performance parts and accessories
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:00 am |
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sc works fine on idle bro, my car basically blows of the air on idle (dump valve) and as soon as u on the throttle the dump valve closes! u keep keep it on the einther time with no issues!
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:21 am |
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And if you werent running the dump valve and intercooler setup?
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nadeeme
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:00 am |
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RSiBoy wrote: And if you werent running the dump valve and intercooler setup? Then u shudnt be driving a boosted car... wait unless of course u drive a Green 9 sec monster called FIONA  _________________ Click here to MAKE UR CAR QUICKER!
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:01 am |
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RSiBoy wrote: And if you werent running the dump valve and intercooler setup? are planning on not running an IC and DV?? why?? if the racetec doesnt have any aux outputs then you cant control the activation point anyways....so it stays on.does the racetec see the oem MAP sensor or does it just run on TPS. if it runs on TPS then cant run the car with SC off cos you will see the same points in the map at any time,but if it recognises MAP then you might be able to....i say flog it and go UniQ.....must find out by siraaj how the other Xrsi came out.....he made to control both vvti and lift set points and he can shift the limiter! and you be able to run 2 maps with the flick of a switch which will take you to your map for boost water/meth(which will also be activated via the Q)  nadeeme wrote: RSiBoy wrote: And if you werent running the dump valve and intercooler setup? Then u shudnt be driving a boosted car... wait unless of course u drive a Green 9 sec monster called FIONA
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:11 am |
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Worx 4agte wrote: RSiBoy wrote: And if you werent running the dump valve and intercooler setup? are planning on not running an IC and DV?? why?? if the racetec doesnt have any aux outputs then you cant control the activation point anyways....so it stays on.does the racetec see the oem MAP sensor or does it just run on TPS. if it runs on TPS then cant run the car with SC off cos you will see the same points in the map at any time,but if it recognises MAP then you might be able to....i say flog it and go UniQ.....must find out by siraaj how the other Xrsi came out.....he made to control both vvti and lift set points and he can shift the limiter! and you be able to run 2 maps with the flick of a switch which will take you to your map for boost water/meth(which will also be activated via the Q) nadeeme wrote: RSiBoy wrote: And if you werent running the dump valve and intercooler setup? Then u shudnt be driving a boosted car... wait unless of course u drive a Green 9 sec monster called FIONA The kit i have was designed to not run with with intercooler and DV. So was going to follow the basic installation as if it were a factory setup. Then in the future add the intercooler and DV. This is due to money and I want to see what the stock setup is like. As for the Racetech, I believe that it does read MAP, but can not confirm until I have the software and cable to see exactly what is what and who is who. Maybe what I should do is take a drive to Seraaj, introduce myself and then have a chat about the setup. I like the idea of 2 maps, I again like the idea of running water/meth, I again like the idea of controlling VVT and LIFT. Limiter can stay right where it is! I aint touching that sh1t. lol _________________ '05 Runx RSI - 137.5kw 177NM '89 Twincam 1600 RSI - 98.1kw 149nm Nissan 720 Kingcab 4x4 2200 - Finished and Roadworthy "Speed has never killed anyone......its suddenly becoming stationary...That's what gets you." www.jdmtuner.co.za - For all performance parts and accessories
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:09 am |
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RSiBoy wrote: Worx 4agte wrote: RSiBoy wrote: And if you werent running the dump valve and intercooler setup? are planning on not running an IC and DV?? why?? if the racetec doesnt have any aux outputs then you cant control the activation point anyways....so it stays on.does the racetec see the oem MAP sensor or does it just run on TPS. if it runs on TPS then cant run the car with SC off cos you will see the same points in the map at any time,but if it recognises MAP then you might be able to....i say flog it and go UniQ.....must find out by siraaj how the other Xrsi came out.....he made to control both vvti and lift set points and he can shift the limiter! and you be able to run 2 maps with the flick of a switch which will take you to your map for boost water/meth(which will also be activated via the Q) nadeeme wrote: RSiBoy wrote: And if you werent running the dump valve and intercooler setup? Then u shudnt be driving a boosted car... wait unless of course u drive a Green 9 sec monster called FIONA The kit i have was designed to not run with with intercooler and DV. So was going to follow the basic installation as if it were a factory setup. Then in the future add the intercooler and DV. This is due to money and I want to see what the stock setup is like. As for the Racetech, I believe that it does read MAP, but can not confirm until I have the software and cable to see exactly what is what and who is who. Maybe what I should do is take a drive to Seraaj, introduce myself and then have a chat about the setup. I like the idea of 2 maps, I again like the idea of running water/meth, I again like the idea of controlling VVT and LIFT. Limiter can stay right where it is! I aint touching that sh1t. lol Best shit u said so far Oh and why not just add the recirc DV like the sc12 and 14 have? it's fairly simple As for the IC, dude, u say u gonna run stock boost, but like i said before, it's addictive, u gona want more, then u gonna have to change boost pipes and setyup and retune and and and .. rather do everything in one go... even if it means finishing the sc setup 2/3 months later. _________________ Click here to MAKE UR CAR QUICKER!
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:59 am |
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whether i run the intercooler now or later, i will still need to change boost pipes. I have stock boost pipes atm that are all made to fit. I really wanna see what this setup can do in stock form. I have emailed a guy in the Norway about stock SC ecu. waiting to hear back from him. He did the conversion just like i am doing.
Decisions decisions oh and dont forget the money :/
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:49 pm |
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Keep in mind that the warm uncooled ar is also not gonna help with combustion temps. so thus detonation is gonna occur much sooner! remember cooler air the 02 atoms sit closer together!  get IC one time boet! ask Shaun at flat 4 2 sort u out! the mans workamanship is outstanding
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:05 pm |
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i understand all the reasoning, but wanna run it stock. lol
If it means get the IC, it means waiting longer to fit it. meaning i dont get to play sooner, which means bad things.
But guess ultimately it means better performance, reliability and economy.
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:07 pm |
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RSiBoy wrote: No if you go read my thread you will see the other SC that I have  wot thread ? u using a intercooler or a charge cooler?
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:12 pm |
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RSiBoy wrote: i understand all the reasoning, but wanna run it stock. lol
If it means get the IC, it means waiting longer to fit it. meaning i dont get to play sooner, which means bad things.
But guess ultimately it means better performance, reliability and economy. SO Fukken what!  There's HOPE YET!!! _________________ Click here to MAKE UR CAR QUICKER!
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:22 pm |
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nadeeme wrote: RSiBoy wrote: i understand all the reasoning, but wanna run it stock. lol
If it means get the IC, it means waiting longer to fit it. meaning i dont get to play sooner, which means bad things.
But guess ultimately it means better performance, reliability and economy. SO Fukken what! There's HOPE YET!!! I always had hope! lol _________________ '05 Runx RSI - 137.5kw 177NM '89 Twincam 1600 RSI - 98.1kw 149nm Nissan 720 Kingcab 4x4 2200 - Finished and Roadworthy "Speed has never killed anyone......its suddenly becoming stationary...That's what gets you." www.jdmtuner.co.za - For all performance parts and accessories
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:22 am |
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Hi Rsi,
I created a Boost Calculator for the Toyota Superchargers.
If interested, maybe we can make it a sticky.
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:26 pm |
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Sweet. Send me the details, or post it and i wil make it a sticky _________________ '05 Runx RSI - 137.5kw 177NM '89 Twincam 1600 RSI - 98.1kw 149nm Nissan 720 Kingcab 4x4 2200 - Finished and Roadworthy "Speed has never killed anyone......its suddenly becoming stationary...That's what gets you." www.jdmtuner.co.za - For all performance parts and accessories
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:18 pm |
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@RSIboy foward it 2 me as well bro!
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:21 am |
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Okay I will get it ready(in a user friendly format) and send it to you on Monday.
I have perfected it in theory and SuperC can test it using his current setup.
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:25 am |
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great stuff! Thanks RR
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Post subject: Re: Supercharging a motor...the do's and donts Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:28 am |
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