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 Post subject: MK2 Escort budget conversion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:50 am 
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Hi all , my 1979 mk2 escort is starting to hassle me with regards to reliability , currently has a 1600 kent engine (1600 sport)
-electric fuel pump
-new points+condenser
-branches
-Weber 32/36
-Fixed fan(was slipping so I had to bolt it up :( )

so I am considering conversion , Money is tight so The engine + miscellaneous will have to be as low cost as possible and get good consumption(want sy is dors op die oomblik) . Preferably there shouldn't be allot of fabrication work as I would like to be able to restore the car to standard one day and the conversion will have to be done I a week or less (student life is rough :laughinghard: ). Another question is if I should do the conversion or is there a cost effective method to improve reliability and consumption ?? any comments would be appreciated as I am still learning . Thanks in advance :thumb:


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Your cheapest and most reliable option would be to either recon the current engine, or put a Nissan A14 or A15 engine with it's gearbox in there. Parts are available everywhere and it it doesn't start then there is either not fuel or spark.

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Thank you Tiaan I never even thoigh to go the nissan route Im just struggling to confirm the power and consumption of these engines . Not that power is to much of an contributing factor but an escort has a certain stigma that needs to be upheld , no offence to anyone who works these engines . I know with money , skill and knowledge you can pull power out of any engine . But I im lacking on multiple of those fields so a stock engine will have to be sufficient


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if u go a14, Spitstronics sell a bolt efi kit . no more points, condensor and carb tuning.

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A Stock A14 engine will last longer than the car itself, if you look after it.
In the Nissan 1400 the fuel consumption is about 10km/L in town driving and 14km/L on the open road.
You can convert the points distributor to an electronic one, get a 45mm free flow exhaust and you will have a really reliable car that is light on fuel.
But when you buy an A14 secondhand you must refresh the engine also, because most of those engines have a shit load of kilos already on them, so then you can just as well refresh the kent engine

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 Post subject: Re: MK2 Escort budget conversion
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Why did you move away from the Nissan engine Tiaan? and the also I have a problem rebuilding the kent because spares are a bit scares it would take to much time for me to strip find parts and rebuild . also how much fabrication is needed to get the a14 or a15 to fit or will it just be the mountings ?


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Also if there isn't to much work related to fitting the A14 I could possibly fit a crappy one just to have wheels whilst I give the Kent a new breath of life , I see the 4AGE is very popular any takes on that ?


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I got a 4AGZE from someone for very cheap, so I decided to use it.
If you want to go the 4age route you will have to have a thick wallet. You are looking at the region of about R25K -R30K to have it running and about a few months.

I have never done an A14 conversion in a Ford, so I will not know, but it is a small, RWD, carburetor engine, so it can't be so difficult to do.
It will be mostly engine mountings, gearbox mounting and a custom propshaft.

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- 1985 Golf 2 GTS with 2 liter ABF and Spitronics Titan advance.
- 2002 Honda CBR 600 F4i with Stealth exhaust pipe, DNA air filter.
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well definitely don't have a thick wallet lol . for interest sake thought what makes the conversion so difficult and expensive besides for modding the sump and getting a matching bellhousing for a type 9 ?


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You don't have to mod the sump. It is high pressure fuel pump, fuel management system, new mountings, Golf radiator, clutch master and slave, fuel pipes, hydraulic pipes, brake upgrade, getting it on the dyno to tune, new branch, new exhaust and all the other small things that comes up. I think on the escort needs the fire wall cut and a bigger gearbox tunnel welded in.

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- 1985 Golf 2 GTS with 2 liter ABF and Spitronics Titan advance.
- 2002 Honda CBR 600 F4i with Stealth exhaust pipe, DNA air filter.
- 1982 Leyland Mini 1275E.


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Went and read up on it a little Apparently with the 16v no body mods needed if you modify the sump to fit over the crossmember and fit a gearbox thats name i cant recall. And majority of the rest you can diy or pick up from the scrap yard such as hp fuelpump ,radiator ,mountings and then your basically left with the exhaust and ecu and preferably a rear disk brake conversion . I can see that it will be costly depending on what you aiming for i guess in my case its get a engine in so car isnt stationary haha . But still cant afford it ...yet


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are you aware that the ford rocam motor bolts to the gearbox, and there is just a small mod you have to do for the pilot shaft bearing to fit.


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Did a quick search but couldn't really find much info on the rocam conversion , someone on the lotus sa forum said that the pilot shaft needs to be modified (slightly smaller) and confirms that bolt pattern of the box is the same and then I cant really find anything on mountings or anything else do you by any chance have additional information on this, i did look at some images and believe the exhaust is on the right hand side so I'm guessing the brake booster will need to be dealt with , no idea how this is done but will search . Also another question if you don't mind are there any ways to tap a little more power out of these engines


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No conversion will in any way or shape cost you less than completely rebuilding the Kent with brand new parts everywhere. The time, money and effort spent to research, do and complete any engine swap would probably pay for such a rebuild twice and you'd have pocket money left over. The worst is, even if you get a A14 or whatever, if it's cheaper than what a Kent rebuild would cost you, then it's probably in a worse state than your current engine.

If you want to save money and have reliable transport, rebuild the Kent.

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In that case for a rebuild would you suggest just a strip down replace whats worn + new seals and gaskets etc then do an efi and electronic ignition conversion ? also the box has a little whine to it would it bankrupt me to have the gears reckoned ?
sorry for all the noob questions, I do know my way more or less around he car but i feel like I'm going into this all thing very blindly , so many options but i do appreciate everyone's replies so far


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To start with. What is the kilometers on the current engine?
If a lot then you can bore the sleeves, get oversized pistons and rings, do all the bearings on the crank, get the head reconditioned at engineers, change all the seals and gaskets in the engine, get new water pump, new oil pump and put it together.
You might as well replace the head studs to be sure they will not fail and cause a blown gasket.
This all can be done in a week.
If all the engineering is done the engine can be build in a day.
Keep screws separate in containers or bags and mark them.

You will need a spanner set, a socket set and a torque wrench.
Something helpful will be a workshop manual to guide you and give you all the torque settings.

You can get an electronic distributor, but leave the standard carburettor, it is not worth it to go fuel injection.
Get the carburettor serviced and the bushes on the butterfly shaft replaced if it has a lot of play there.
Also get the intake manifold skimmed where it bolts to the head as well where the carburettor bolts on. Also get the bottom of the carburettor skimmed to make sure it seals there.

All this will still be less than an engine conversion, like Boksie said.

If there is a whine in the gearbox then it is the bearings between the gears and the shafts. I cost me about R1500 to recon my 3t Toyota gearbox and the spares for that box is only available via import, so reconditioning a Ford gearbox will not be more.

If you want a car reliable then you must keep it standard like it was designed to work.
One thing a lot of very experienced people will tell you, do not modify and tune a car that you need for transport everyday, unless you swop the engine with one that the car manufacturers brought out in those cars.
Like a Golf, you can put any Golf 1, 2 or 3 engine in any of those shape cars, because they were designed by the manufacturer to work in any of those cars, but going and installing a Golf 6 GTI engine in a Golf 1 will start a whole new chapter of troubles to sort out.

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Thank you for the detailed reply .

The car according to the clock has 84 000 km and service stamps to 82 000 . The previous owner was elderly and the car had taken allot of bashing in the last days of its previous life not sure about the owner before that. I rebuilt the body and cleaned her up . The car didnt seem to be very well maintained . For instance the sump plug and diff plugs where stripped and struggling still to get the diff sealed properly . Any idea where i might get a new cover plate for that ? Then the carb . Weber 32/36 i had to disconnect the choke because it was getting difficult to drive because it pushed up the revs when the car got hot , with my limited knowledge i dont know why i just know that was the problem . Carb has been rebuilt but the chokes diaphragm and seals i couldnt find . Could anyone by any chance tell me where i could find spares (pumps, seals, new diff cover plate) .or will i have to import .also could you maybe suggest a good engineering shop and someone thatcan do my carb in gauteng that i can get prices from ? Dont want to commit then have insufficient funds half way .on the upside atleast the brakes are all new and metal cancer hadn't spoiled her to much . Also she doesnt have to much of a problem dancing on the gravel roads


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